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Friday, December 14, 2012

(9th) Weekend Discussion #15



"Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names."
- John F. Kennedy (1917-1963)


CONSIDER: We normally hear the axiom “forgive and forget,” but Kennedy appears to believe only half of it. Based on what you know about his history, why might he have believed this? Do you agree with his assessment, and why? Which is the more ethical action, the forgiving or the forgetting, and why? Is it ethical to forget the wrongs done us by others?


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25 comments:

  1. i think this quote means that you should forgive what people do to you but don't forget what they did or said because they might do it again and nobody will know that they have done it before i think thats why the police keep a record of what everyone does.

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    1. concertedmoney

      piggybacking on what brandon said, i agree with this statement. If someone did you wrong and you had to forgive them, the best thing for you to do is to forgive them. holding grudges hurts how you relate with others and the people you keep in your circle of trust. However if you chose to be the bigger person and forgive them, 1 they feel better about the whole situation because they know that you wont try to get undermining revenge. the second would be because forgiving someone frees your conscience, letting go will dramatically help you get over it and move on. though you forgive that person, you can never forget whatever they have done to you because you would want to know how to handle it if that person tried to do it again. just like keeping a record on every citizen in the united states, the government has to keep these things in order to promote the safety and well being of other citizens. if they didnt keep this information every time a convict would just be charged each time and no further action would be served because of the lack of information and proof. also after the wars and battles our planet has been plunged into it always the same, one side winning and the other side backong down and submitting. though this not always happens. even after the 911 bombing, some poeple still remain skeptical about japanese immigrants and people in general coming into america. in conclusion with brandon and j.f.k's feelings about this quote i say that one should forgive but not forget, because you must stay aware of the wrong that someone has done to you

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  2. I think what kennedy means by this is yes, forget but do keep in mind of their names to remember what they can and could do. Kennedy was a soldier and they treat soldiers this way. His past can have a vast effect on what he states and what his opinions might be. In my opinion "forgive and forget" is exactly what it says but yes i agree with Kennedy. Forget the situation but never forget who did that to you. Once you let down your guard and think it's all clear they attack. The more ethical statement would when in doubt "forgive and forget." Always.......always, remember that even though it's ethical it doesn't mean it's always the right path in your own mind. Forgiving and Forgetting is to me all opinionated. That is my view on Kennedy and his great saying in my mind.

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  3. I agree with risk. Kennedy was a soldier in World War 2. Him and other soldiers were trained with this kind of mindset. I agree with Kennedy as well. If you forgive an forget, the person may just do it again like Brandon said. I believe that you may forgive the person for what they did, but you should never forget their face. If you forget their face, that just means that same person can do what he did again and no one wants that. So in my opinion, it is ethical to forgive, but never forget.

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  4. I think Kennedy is trying to say although we forgive others for their wrong doings we never truly forget what they did to us. I also believe he is trrying to say we shouldn't forget what they did because the next time they betray us we will have something to look back at. I think it is essential to believe, but never to forget.

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  5. *I think it is essential to forgive, but never forget

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  6. I agree with risk. I also think that wen they say forgive your eneyms but dont forgive their name. Is some one wrong me i should forgive them weather they appoligize are not. But it dosent mean I forget. Because I forgave them i dont forget heir name and age and what happen are how it happen. no it only means i made closer with the situation.

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  7. Many people tried to bring harm or difficulty to Kennedy. (Well of course, he was the president of the United States) Based on what i know from his history, Kennedy was not raised with this belief, but was actually forced to learn it the hard way; Through life. Being a president is not easy. Don't you want to know who to hold responsible if you were troubled? I know who's done me wrong. I have done more than forgiven, but i will never forget. It's been years now, but i can still remember the sharp turn my life took because of a few bad friends. It's long gone, and we all pretend it never happened, but every time i see their faces, i remember. I hold it against them (in my mind). Even though it's gone and fixed, i still remember the way they looked at me. Like it was my fault. I agree with Kennedy. It's more ethical to forgive, because if we just forget, what would happen if we were reminded? We would hold a grudge. It's harder to forgive, but in the end, it's best. Try to forgive, but never forget.

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  8. You should forgive people even know they done wrong to you,but never forget their name because they might come back to do it again.Kennedy says this because alot of people have done wrong to him in the past.

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  9. Jortiz16,
    Kennedy was a president so he knows better than anyone too never turn your back on some one,I would agree with kennedy on his saying you should forgive the person for what he or she did but you should never forget their face and what they did,because one day that person might due the same thing in a sneaky way but you already know who it was because you remember the persons face.The most ethical part to forget would probably be the forgiving part because people in my opinion always forgive really easy so it is ethical to forgive but never forget.

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  10. I agree with Kennedy because, i have seen this happen in real life because there would be someone that did firgive a person but as they tried to forget there name the person came back for they and tryed to do harm to them. i think that this is a realy good saying because i think like jortiz16 "forgive really easy" wich is true because if all was easyer to forgive someone but you will not forget what that person did. Like if you had someone you know that had gone out with your wilf and that person my think that you stole that person from them so you can ask for them to forgive you but that persone is naver going to forget so they may try to come back an harm. this is one of the said parts about being humman everone trys to get back at one another which there is no need for.

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  11. I agree with kennedy. I have experienced this myself. I have forgiven someone, simply because im not one to hold a grudge BUT i would never forget what they have done,or as kennedy says "forget their name" .

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    1. I agree with Alexis and Kennedy. I know personally that you should forgive your enemies but what if they do it again? It would become a pattern and the person would continue doing whatever they were doing. I have this thing, like a mental book with everyone I know in the book. So if they wronged me, the mental book would have the person and what they did to me whenever I think of or see the person. I can forgive, I try hard to not hold grudges, but I will probably not forget what they did, because its in my mental book.

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  12. Based off of The former Presidents statement, he could probably only trust certain people knowing his title many people might not have wanted him to be President and may have betrayed him or he may have been mis-treated.But yes it is OK to forgive but remember that you may not be able to trust that person unless they gain it back.Sometimes if you were treated that bad or hurt its hard to forget that person and what they did, but you can always try and move on from what happened, but still learn from it.
    I wanted to comment on Alexis DeVille's post i agree we've all experiences things in life and your right we shouldn't hold Grudges.

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  13. What Kennedy is saying is that if someone does something wrong to you you should forgive them but don't treat them the same way they treated you because that wouldn't make you any better than them.So if you and someone are arguing with each other or are in an altercation one of you should be the bigger person and just walk away or dont say anything back just to prevent trouble.Kennedy probaly said this from a political perspective.He was probaly talking about other countries and saying that we will forgive other countries for there troubles but we won't do the same thing they did to us because that wouldn't make our country look like the strong nation that we are.

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  14. I think kennedy is trying to say that if someone has done you wrong, "turn the other cheek". What this means is that you not only forgive them, but treat them differently then they treated you. This makes you the better man or woman hands down, because doing other wise can worsen the situation.

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  15. from Destroyer619:

    I agree 100% with this quote, and I've heard similar sayings many times before. What Kennedy is trying to say is you can forgive your enemies for what they've done to you, be it purposely or accidentally. However, like "KoolaidKid319, and Brandon" said, never forget their face, or things they said. Why? Because if they come back to you, you'll know what to expect. If you do forget their face, they'll be doing the same offensive things to you and you won't even know its that same person that offended you before. You can always forgive, but you must never forget.

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  16. from T_cute:

    ''Forgive your enemies,but never forget there names''.
    I agree with Kennedy,because as a christian you are suppose to forgive others,even those who have done you wrong.If you don't forgive people then the issue will become bigger and bigger,because of all the anger that is being built up.Sometimes the best thing to do is to just apologize and be the bigger person,to resolve the issue.I think it is very important to keep record of people who have committed a crime.Like what Brandon said its the only way you can keep track of what a person has done is on record.I try to forgive but never forget those who have hurt me.

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  17. from Monroe98:

    I absolutely agree with this because you can't hold on to that hateful feeling you get when someone does you wrong but you also can't forget it. You should forgive them and let It go but always be aware that, that person isn't the most trustworthy. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. The most ethical part of that would probably be the forgiving because a warm hearted person with a close connection with God should always try to forgive. It's a big part of living a happy life. Forgetting what that person has done is not always ethical because then the same thing could happen again. I always try to forgive but I almost never forget because that would just make me the stupid one. Vanakoleyen makes a valid point about Kennedy having to learn about watching his back because he was an important figure and many people were jealous and wanted the power he had. =

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  18. from spiderman31:

    I think he might of believed that because people are alweays trying to hurt precidents and if you forget who hurt you you'll put your guard down and let them hurt you. I agree with this beacuse you can always forgive the people that hurt you but things are never the same between y'all, and if you just forget who they are or how they are then the'll do it over and over again and will take advantage of your niceness.I, personally,think that you should just forgive people because if you forget they can do it again and hurt you worse tha the first time.

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  19. To me this quote means you should forgive everyone that hurts you.Why? Well because if you hold onto a grudge for a long time it will become harder and harder for you to let go.To forgive you have to love, you can not hate someone and forgive them.There is no love without forgiveness.One can not exist without the other.You can't say that you hate someone,but you forgive them.Though what they did can be very hurtful and painful they are still human as you are and everyone deserves a second chance,because everyone makes mistakes.You can't change the past you have to cope with,what has been done.When he says"never forget thier names." Hes trying to tell us don't forget who has hurt you because your human and you dont have to.You have the right to not forget what someone has done to you.I don't forget what people do to me ,but i don't forget mainly becuase it's hard to.For example if someone killed my sister of course i would forgive them eventually,but the memory will forever be burned in my head. So yes I do agree with this quote instead of forgiving and forgetting.If you forget about something then it is bound to happen again.For example we will never forget the holucaust and if we do forget what happened then it might repeat.I like that Kennedy said this becuse we get so caught up in thinking that we can just forget and forgive people but we don't say how can we prevent this from happening again. It's easy to remmeber,but if we remmeber,forgive,and change I think this world will be alot better than it is now.WE could probably even solve our diffrences with countries that are not our allies.

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  20. it means it's okay to forgive someone who's been bad to you but never forget who they are.that way,you'll never let them hurt you again because you know them better. Forgive the act but not who did it. Kennedy most likely had many enemy and as the president of the united states he had to be the bigger man because he was representing us.

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  21. I think John F. Kennedy may have felt you should "Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names," at least partly because he was in the millitary. I agree and disagree with his assesment; I agree that you shouldn't "forget their name" if they have done you a great harm, but I feel it unnecessary to remember (and almost hold a grudge against) them. I'm really not sure about which is more ethical, the forgiving or the forgetting, though I think both are important and necessary things for us to be capable of doing on a day to day basis, assuming we all want to function appropriately in society. I think it is ethical to forget the wrongs done to us by others, even though it can be incredibly difficult at times.

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  22. I agree with Kennedy's statement. He's saying that you should forgive what someone (an enemy in this case) has done to you. Still, you have to remember who they are, because they might go and and the same thing again. I think this quote says that you should be cautious of the people who have done wrong towards you. The most ethical action is forgiving instead of forgetting. When you forgive the person, that means you've accepted what they have done to you. But when you forget about it, you leave yourself vulnerable to get hurt the same way twice.

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  23. Kennedy was the best president in the history of the USA and his famous words were "Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names." I think he believe that, was because you should never stay anger at that person that hurt, but no matter the damage he's done don't forget them to show forgiveness.

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